Welcoming Speech || KLIAW Sports Arbitration Conference 2015

OPENING SPEECH

By Chairperson of Organising Committee

Mr. Richard Wee

            Good morning Y.A.M TUNKU TAN SRI IMRAN IBNI ALMARHUM TUANKU JA’AFAR, honourable guests, Director of Kuala Lumpur Regional Center for Arbitration (KLRCA) Datuk Professor Sundra Rajoo, distinguished speakers, delegates, ladies and gentlemen. Selamat Datang to the Sports Arbitration Conference held to you by KLRCA in conjunction with the Kuala Lumpur International Arbitration Week 2015.

            Allow me to introduce myself. I am Richard Wee, the chairperson of the organising committee for today’s Sports Arbitration Conference held in conjunction with the Kuala Lumpur International Arbitration Week 2015. It is with great pleasure and honour to have been given the opportunity and responsibility to chair the organising committee to organise today’s sports arbitration conference for all parties interested not just in the field of arbitration but also in the world of sports. I am particularly thankful to Datuk Sundra Rajoo who has given me the trust and faith to chair the organising committee of this event on behalf of KLRCA.

            Today’s sports arbitration conference aims to provide useful information and insights from individuals who have been involved in sports arbitration, either from legal perspectives or perspectives from sports federations as well as the athletes themselves. Today, we are extremely honoured to have His Highness Tunku Imran who will deliver the Keynote Address on Sports Arbitration. Tunku is not merely the leader of the Olympic Council of Malaysia (OCM) where he is now the President where it is himself a passionate sportsperson. He is in fact the First National Squash Champion in 1973. We look forward to hear his Keynote Address.  

It is also such a privilege to welcome and to have with us today, our second Keynote Speaker, from as far as Liverpool City (my favourite city), Mr. Chris Anderson, the Head of Legal Services of my long-time favourite football club, the Everton Football Club who will be presenting the English Premier League’s view on Sports Arbitration. Everton is a football institution, 137 years old. They are the longest standing club in the Top Division spending only 4 seasons outside the Top Division. They bring with them great experience in this area.

We have lined up2 exciting sessions, one in the morning and the other in the afternoon. In the morning session, we will hear Mr. Paul Hayes speaking about the Mechanics of Sports Arbitration. The second speaker is supposed to be Encik Isa Aziz Ibrahim. Unfortunately, he had to travel to Jakarta for an urgent matter and I have the honour to read out his Power Point presentation later.

Mr. Paul Hayes commenced practice as a Barrister at the Sydney Bar in 1990 before relocating to the Melbourne Bar in 1997. He was appointed as a Senior Fellow of the University of Melbourne at the Faculty of Law in 2010 and lectures in the subject of ‘Sports Dispute Resolution’. In 2013, Paul received the Dennis Callinan Award for community service in Sports Law from the Australian and New Zealand Sports Law Association and was also appointed by KLRCA as Honorary Counsel for Sports Arbitration. So, I am sure that he will give us beneficial and fruitful insights on his experience and wide knowledge on Sports Arbitration today.  

Isa Aziz, on the other hand, is the very few Malaysian lawyers who has actually appeared in a CAS Arbitration in Lausanne, Switzerland. His Power Point presentation will reflect his experience.

In the afternoon, with title ‘Future of Sports Arbitration’, we will see KLRCA’s Director, Datuk Sundra Rajoo offering his vision on how he intends to take KLRCA forward with the Court of Arbitration for Sports. Sharing the platform with him are Mr. Benoit Pasquier of the Asian Football Confederation (AFC) and Mr. Izham bin Ismail of Professional Footballers Association of Malaysia. Mr. Benoit is the Head of Legal of AFC with extensive knowledge of Sports Arbitration. Mr. Izham, on the other hand, is the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of PFAM and he had been championing the rights of local football players in Malaysia. Both Mr. Benoit and Mr. Izham will be speaking as consumers of Sports Arbitration in Malaysia and in this region in general.

Ladies and gentlemen,

            In 1983, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) decided to create the Court of Arbitration for Sports or commonly known as CAS. CAS functions as the Supreme Court for Sports by which parties in disputes may, upon mutual agreement, bring an action before CAS. This effort has been proven to be well-accepted when, as of 2013, CAS has heard over 3,000 cases in Lausanne, Switzerland as well as its two branches, New York and Sydney. However, over the years CAS has faced challenges through its way in keeping its status as the Supreme Court for Sports since its decisions were tend to be overturned by national courts like in the case of Claudia Pechstein. Nevertheless, this has not abstained CAS from being recognised as the Supreme Court for Sports.

Ladies and gentlemen,

            It is my pleasure to say that in 2012, KLRCA executed a Memorandum of Understanding with CAS, effectively making KLRCA as one of CAS’s arbitration centres. This has definitely put Malaysia in the world map of arbitration. 

            This will not be possible without the vision and effort made by the Director of KLRCA, Datuk Sundra Rajoo. It is with his leadership and passion in bringing KLRCA to a higher level which made it possible for KLRCA to leave its marks in the world of arbitration. The most apparent evidence of this effort is this very own building we are in right now. This world class facility symbolises the growth and rise of KLRCA over the years. I am confident to say that with this, KLRCA will be able to attract more international parties to bring their cases to this country. 

Members of the delegates,

            Before I end my speech, I hope that at the end of this conference, you will take home fresh ideas, new knowledge and novel points for you to chew on and prepare yourself for the arrival of CAS in Malaysia!

I would like to once again thank KLRCA for giving me this opportunity to bring this wonderful event to life. I would also like to thank the speakers for being able to spare some of their time to share their experience and knowledge on sports arbitration. I would also like to take this opportunity to introduce the team behind this conference, my back bone, Mr. Peter-Douglas Ling, Mr. Farez Jinnah, Ms. Ann Quah, Mr. Faris Shehabi, Mr. Danaindran Rajendran, Mr. Yip Xiaoheng, Ms. Marlysa Razak and my right-hand, the Deputy Chairperson Ms. Lesley Lim. Last but not least, I would like to thank all delegates who are present today and wish everyone a good conference and a good day.

            Thank you.

My internship experience at RWY - Vynny Wong

Before I finished my year one, I successfully applied to RWY to work as an attachment student during my summer break. Despite the fact that some of my friends told me that an internship was a waste of time, as the firm would not appreciate your existence and, as a law student who has yet to graduate, you would not learn much throughout the internship period, I had my doubts and did not believe what was told to me. I preferred to experience it myself.

In the 3 months of my internship, I learnt to work with other senior lawyers and attachment students as a team. This ensured that everyone knew what was happening and we could easily come out with a solution through discussion. A task to do some research on the Federal Constitution was given to me and other attachment students to work on as a team. To be honest, as a Malaysian, I had never read or even wanted to know what the content of our Federal Constitution actually was. Ironically, there is a chapter known as “British Constitution” in my constitutional law year one textbook. This presented me with very good opportunity to know more about my own country which I took up wholeheartedly.

Besides that, I was also given a chance to draft a Letter of Demand and a Statement of Claim as well as to do some transcribing work and help out in conveyancing matters as well. I discovered that a letter can reflect the professionalism of an associate through the line of words found in the letter. Therefore, one needs to be very detail-oriented and ensure that there are no mistakes before issuing out any letters. In conveyancing, I learnt the important of being precise and particular, as a tiny little error would affect the whole procedure.

By doing some preparation work on a file, I had grasped some idea as to where one should start their research work. This is something I was not thought in law school. I was also trained on how to prioritize my work and how to complete the task given within the time frame given. I was also given an opportunity to attend in court and was able to observe how lawyers handle their cases and were able to speak confidently in front of the Judges. It was a fruitful experience. I was also lucky enough to join in several meetings with clients  which provided me with a good opportunity to witness how the a lawyer ought to deal with a client’s problem as well as how to approach a client and gain their trust.

I would extend my thanks to the all the guidance I had received from all the lawyers, in particular Ms. Lesley, Mr. Luey, Ms. Sarah, Mr. Lim and Ms. Jyh Ling as well as my two bosses, Mr. Richard and Mr. Yip during my three months with RWY. I apologize for any trouble I may have caused and appreciate the patience provided to me. Many thanks as well to Kak Sal, Ms. Penny and Auntie Wee for their guidance in clerical work. The experience I gained through this internship is something that I will treasure and always remember in the future. In addition, my weight had increased throughout my internship period showing that all the good food provided to me at RWY motivated me to work harder. I would like to end my passage with the quote from one of the bosses, Mr. Yip, who impressed upon me that “practice in law is not a sprint, by a marathon”. Thanks to my internship, I will definitely maintain a spirit to succeed in the legal profession and will move forward with to become a lawyer with a deeper passion of the law.

By Wong Poh Yee, Vynny

My Internship experience at RWY - Jackie

My internship experience at RWY

It was my semester break again and this time I decided to do something productive about it since I have plans to study abroad for my final year in the upcoming months.  I immediately went on a search on law firms around my housing area, and with the help of Google, I stumbled upon RWY, a cosy and decent law firm situated not far from my house. After reading up on their website and legal background I’ve decided to send in my resume. Soon after, I was accepted to begin my internship there after an interview with the partners, Mr Yip and Mr Richard, who turned out to be less intimidating than I thought it would be.

During my one month of internship here, my learning experience include transcribing minutes and cases, drafting legalized letters, attending clients’ AGM as a representative lawyer, witnessing Mr Richard and Sarah deliver a speech and the idea of Safer Malaysia to college students, and not to mention day-to-day office work such as basic comb bindings, photostatting documents and paper shredding. Although it may seem insignificant, but without a doubt it is essential to keep the firm organised and running smooth.

Like any other interns, I too had the privilege to tag along with the partners to attend several court hearings and at least one trial which turned out to be extremely valuable as it goes out to show that how much work and preparation has to be done before a lawyer can confidently take on the trial stage in court.  These experiences have taught me more than what I could learn from a class lecture. Apart from that, I am also honoured to be given the opportunity to contribute a Wikipedia page on behalf of the firm!

My one month experience at RWY was definitely priceless. Besides the reasons mentioned above, I was also always blessed with neverending amount of food from the firm! RWY does knows how to treat their staffs in the most appreciative manner = food. I have proudly ended my internship with pride and dignity as well as some extra gains of happy lipids onto my weight!

Last but not least, I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone for the opportunity to be part of the firm. Even though it was only temporary, the experience I had was nothing short of amazing. So thank you Mr Richard for believing in me, giving me the courage to speak with confidence and act with integrity in hopes of transforming me into a reputable lawyer like him one day. Thank you Mr Yip for sharing his experience and advice on overcoming stage frights and vocal fears, I needed that. Thank you Sarah as well for being so patient with the clumsy me, I really look up to her charisma in handling difficult clients with a cheerful attitude and positive mind set! Also to Lesley, JyhLing and Luey, being able to work under their guidance has given me a glimpse on how to be a mini perfectionist which is definitely essential to a lawyer’s duty apart from striving hard and to be consistently hardworking in order to excel in the legal field. Finally, big thanks to Penny, Kak Sal and Aunty Wee for taking me in as a family, really appreciate their ever willing guidance and patience to my silly questions and mistakes. I am forever grateful and blessed with the invaluable experience I had whilst working at RWY.

By Jackie 

RWY welcomes new Associates

Richard Wee & Yip is pleased to announce the addition of 2 new Associates, from July 2014.

Wong Jyh Ling & Loh Choy Luey; both formerly Pupils at RWY were both retained and embark on their new career as Associate of the firm.

Welcome aboard Jyh Ling & Luey!

My Internship Experience at RWY - Adrian Khin

Like all third year law students in Multimedia University (Melaka Campus), I was given a chance to do my legal attachment in a legal firm. I had chosen to attach in RWY legal firm and went through an interview by the partners, Mr Richard and Mr Yip. From there, I was accepted to attach there. I was really grateful with such golden opportunity.

On the first day itself, I was given a task to help on research on Limitation Law in Malaysia for a book to be written by RWY. I was honored to be included in this project. From there, I was guided by  the clerks on administrative matter. Even the simplest matter like photocopy and sending out mails is important in order for a legal firm to operate smoothly. At first, it was labyrinthine as I was a callow undergraduate. But day by day, together with the help and guidance of the staff, I was well learned on it.

                   

In addition to that, I was brought to the Shah Alam and Kuala Lumpur courts several times to view or watch how cases are being handled in court. I was very lucky that there was several big cases on going at that time and managed to see the partners submit to the court. I even got the chance to see a full trial and learn a few advocacy skills in which to be appreciated in the future when I practice as a lawyer. From here, I learned a lot on civil procedures in Malaysia and that would be a great advantage for me during my final academic year in the law school.

                  

The best part of attaching in RWY is that I was treated as a lawyer instead of just a student. In this sense, I was always invited by the discussion team in several cases in order to brainstorm together to solve cases. From here, I learnt how the lawyers drew timelines, charts, etc to organize their case in order to make things easier to handle. I was also guided through step by step by the lawyers, whenever there is a new case that I have joined in. If there is anything that I was not sure or do not know, the lawyers are always there to guide me through without any hesitation.

                  

Not forgetting, the people in RWY are very helpful and cooperative. Whenever I ask for guidance or help in certain matters, the lawyers will try their best to help me for my better understanding. Plus, the guidance and teaching given by the lawyers to me was never thought in the usual class and lectures in the law school.

                  

In conclusion, it was really a fruitful 3 months attaching in RWY as I have learnt a lot. I was never rueful in choosing and to be accepted to attach in RWY. It was an unforgettable experience to be treasured. 

Adrian Khin

My Internship experience at RWY – Cheah Yee Ling

During my summer holidays I had the opportunity to intern at RWY in the month of September. I am extremely grateful for the opportunity given to me for the reasons which I will espouse below.

Mr Yip unfortunately was away for roughly 3 out of 4 weeks of my internship. However, that did not affect my internship as there were plenty of capable lawyers at the firm to guide me through tasks. While it could be said that the time I chose to be at the firm was unfortunate due to the lack of cases being heard at court, I would argue otherwise. While Mr Richard was extremely apologetic that several cases that were scheduled to be heard at court were adjourned, I have no regrets with joining the firm as I still had the chance to attend several court hearings. This was extremely valuable as it exposed me to how the court functions, and how a lawyer is to conduct oneself in court, as opposed to what has been popularised on television, where lawyers stroll in and argue a case. It has also taught me that there is a lot of background work that has to be done before an argument can be won, or even to determine whether an argument can be made.

During my time with the firm, besides watching court proceedings, I managed to transcribe cases, attend meetings with clients, observed how Mr Richard gave a presentation to a room full of potential litigants on the strengths and weaknesses of their case, assisted the sorting out of documents, and even helped in the organising of RWY’s very first sports law conference, where I was even allowed to tag along to a meeting with the Sports Commissioner!

I also learned how to do the more “trivial” things as some would call it, such as photocopying, faxing and mailing letters. However, I must say that these tasks were actually extremely eye-opening as I have never came across a situation where I had to utilise a fax machine or send a letter, what with the existence of e-mails. I’ve learnt that these tasks, though seemingly inconsequential, are actually vital to the smooth running of a firm. These are things that are never taught in a classroom and can only be learnt through experience.

One other aspect that I was extremely grateful for is how I was treated as an equal. Mr Richard, as well as all the associates treated me as a lawyer, and not just an intern. While my knowledge of the law was still rather shallow at the time of my internship (having just finished my first year of legal studies) everyone at the firm was very patient and took time out of their busy schedules to explain to me the facts and issues of a case, and what legal principles could possibly apply in those situations.

All in all, the brief one month spent at RWY was definitely time well spent for me. The things that I picked up from this internship were things that just are not taught in university – they are skills that can only be acquired through hands-on work within the field. I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone at the firm for accepting me, and for allowing me to gain invaluable insights into the many complexities of the legal world.

My experience as an Intern at RWY - April Tay

It was my 3 months break and I decided to do something with it rather than lazing around and turn into a couch potato. So, without any expectation, I sent in my resume to RWY (a firm introduced by a close friend from my hometown, Melaka) and hoped for the best.

When I received the news that I was accepted as their attachment student, I was overjoyed. (Too bad I was in the bus when I received the news. I would have screamed and jump about like a mad bunny). Why the hype? Well, to know that your bosses are the co-founders of Safer Malaysia and I will have the privilege to work with them, it is an honour.

Before I even started my one month of attachment, I was given the opportunity to follow the associates (Ezhan and Sarah) for a two days trial in Seremban Court. During my one month of attachment here, I learned how to transcribe, to draft affidavits, to do all the basic comb bindings, and the classic Photostatting. The types of trials I attended in this one month range from simple contract cases, family cases and complicated corporate cases. I even have the opportunity to witness a new precedent being set by one of RWY’s very own associate.

The experience I gained from this short period is so overwhelming that I myself, until today, cannot believe that it is even achievable. I even have the opportunity to work along side with Penny, Kak Sal and Aunty Wee. They taught me how to file litigation files and they are so very patient with my ever hyper aura. They taught me how to do banking, posting and how to be a really thorough receptionist!

Apart from that, I even have the opportunity to sit in while a client consulted Mr Richard on a particular case. I admire how the associates here handle their clients; with integrity, honesty and punctuality. This firm holds true to their motto; Bridging Gaps; bridging the gaps between the public and the law and bridging the law and the community with Safer Malaysia.

To my two masters (Mr Richard and Mr Yip), I am truly grateful for this opportunity and I will never forget the experience I had in RWY. I really appreciate how Mr Richard, with his ever packed busy schedule, managed to guide me on the Law of Trust.

I wished I could have more time in this firm but nevertheless, whatever I managed to grasp while working here, will forever be imprinted in me. Thank you once again for this opportunity. Even though I am physically not working in the firm, but I still have the opportunity to continue working with Safer Malaysia; something which I believe in strongly, even before I met Mr Richard and Mr Yip and the firm. To know that I am able to help, though not much, in Safer Malaysia, affirms me that I am doing my part in contributing to a safer environment in the near future for Malaysia. 

By April Tay 

September 2013

Wong Jyh Ling joins RWY

RWY welcomes Wong Jyh Ling to Team RWY. She will be a pupil under Richard Wee. She was a member of the MMU Moot Team, and will be a welcomed addition to the firm. 

Sarah steps up at RWY

Richard Wee & Yip is pleased to announce the promotion of our Associate, Puan Sarah Kambali; to now, Senior Associate. 

Sarah has been with RWY since 2010 and was in fact Richard Wee's Pupil back in 2007. She had upon completion of her Pupilage, joined another establishment before re-uniting with Richard at RWY. 

Sarah is a valuable member of Team RWY and the Firm congratulates Sarah.

Pupil at RWY

RWY welcome our former attachment trainee, Calvin Khoo; who returns to RWY as a trainee lawyer aka Pupil. 

Welcome aboard, Calvin!

My Experience as an Intern at RWY - Hoong Wei En

To start things off, I want to thank Mr Richard and Mr Yip for giving me a chance to work and learn alongside them as well as the team at Richard Wee & Yip (RWY) for patiently teaching and guiding me through the two months tenure with them. Having completed my internship programme with Richard Wee & Yip, I can now say that the experience had broadened my horizon, giving me a foretaste of the working environment and the life of a lawyer.

Working was a totally new territory for me and having never to have worked before, I did not know what to expect when I joined Messrs Richard Wee & Yip. I was a mixture of excitement and nervousness when I met Mr Richard for the very first time during my interview.

On my first day, still apprehensive of what was expected in my job as an intern, Mr Yip approached me to sit in on a discussion, which I later found out that it was an arbitration case. I was blessed to be able to work alongside Mr Yip and a claims consultant, learning new terms, phrases and processes, which I have never even heard before. It was a challenge for me, trying to understand and grasp the case but Mr Yip patiently took me through the case.

I spent my first two weeks at the firm doing clerical work and conveyancing matters, filling in CKHT forms, drafting, compiling and mailing out letters. I learnt how to handle the office machines such as the binder, the photocopier and the ancient typewriter.

Aside from clerical work, I got to do research relating to Internet Law for the Legal Tech Forum, where Mr Richard was an invited speaker.  Together with the other lawyers of RWY, I attended the Forum and got new insights to the cyber world and the law governing it.

I was also given the opportunity to sit in on meetings and court cases and it was very eye opening especially when I went to the Palace of Justice. Drafting Letter of Demands, Statement of Claims, and translations of Affidavits in Reply are some of the other things that I do as an intern under the supervision of the other lawyers. Like everything else, it was new to me but I rather enjoyed doing them.

Furthermore, I had the privilege to directly assist Mr Richard and Mr Yip in the pioneer project of Safer Malaysia, which is close to their hearts. Safer Malaysia is a platform for the public to air their grievances and to attempt to push for reforms of our security administration, with the aim to make our country a safer place. In this project, I aided Mr Richard by compiling articles and news on crime, drafting proposals, vision statements and articles as well as research. On many occasions, I followed both Mr Richard and Mr Yip for meetings with government representatives and individuals from other NGOs who are interested in working hand in hand with Safer Malaysia. It is a once in a lifetime opportunity for me to be involved in a project that is so dear to the heart of many Malaysians. Although this is not related to any legal framework, it was very enlightening and through this, I learnt that complaining brings you nowhere. We should instead try to do something to remedy the situation.

Before interning at a law firm, I was of the opinion that I would only be learning very general office work like photostating, binding and making coffee but my experience at Richard Wee & Yip has changed my whole perspective as a law intern. I was given every opportunity to learn and the lawyers as well as the clerks at the firm were patient in teaching and did not withhold any knowledge and impart freely. The people at RWY are also very warm and friendly. This makes the firm a very condusive enviroment for learning. Accordingly when I joined the firm it was a quiet period, I am thankful to still be able to learn many things, both legal and non-legal. Some important principles that I learn from RWY are integrity, sincerity and punctuality. 

Thank you Mr Richard, Mr Yip and the team.

Warmest regards

Wei En, Hoong

My Experience As An Intern at RWY - Henry Ng

Revelation of the Life of a Law Firm

Learning is a lifetime process, without which even a billionaire cannot preserve his success overtime. The attachment at Messrs Richard Wee & Yip is such an eye-opener pertaining to the life of a lawyer and at the same time, it prepares me to face my own challenges in the future.

Thanks to the past experiences shared by others, wherein I have had the advantage to make reference to, I concur on the sacrifice and contribution by every member of the firm. Because of them, I am further equipped with soft skills and knowledge on certain areas such as drafting and conveyance. With all due respect, I prefer to share what I have learnt from RWY on the aspect of ‘how to be a REAL lawyer’.

A lawyer is often being described as ‘lifeless and dull’, if not ‘cocky and impertinent’. Is that really so? To what extent it is true? Well, while I do not doubt that it may be the case for other lawyers, I am certain that RWY provides friendly working atmosphere and the lawyers are down-to-earth in nature.

Lesson No.1 – treat others with utmost sincerity and courtesy. One of the lawyers, through his experience, once told me that only his colleagues will back him up when he is in deep trouble; a cruel truth of life. I believe that this is the catalyst of the firm in nurturing a relationship of trust and respect among the members of the firm. In the spirit of achieving that, politeness and willingness are prioritised; not seniority. Even I am treated as if I were a qualified lawyer!

Lesson No.2 – enjoy the process and the journey. It is a culture of RWY to give a ‘pat on the shoulder’ when a good job is done and to celebrate anything worth celebrating. During lunchtime, sometimes with the presence of the partners, conversation was exchanged and often ended with laughter. Even the birthdays and the last day of attachments are celebrated in the firm just to appreciate our contribution, as well as recognition as an individual.

Lesson No.3 – show dedication and integrity to the profession. Notwithstanding the fact that we are allowed to err because we are human, works must be done in a systematic and efficient manner. If this code is broken, even the best lawyer will have to face the music. From my observation, RWY is passionate and meticulous on the things it is doing and frowns upon any negligence and irresponsible behavior of the lawyers and employees, especially when it relates to work.

The firm is indeed not only a workplace and a factory but also a big family. Like a Swiss made watch, every member plays a role like a component in a watch. As paramount as it sounds, even the tiniest part fails, the whole watch collapses. While I am not saying that RWY is flawless, because nothing is, I do not question the greatness of this firm. It is good that the attachments learn something of everything. If I have to make any suggestion, I would opine that RWY could allocate the attachments more to the respective areas where they show interests in, if possible. This will not only increase the efficiency of the work done, it may stimulate the potentials of one to the fullest.

‘You can teach a student a lesson for a day; but if you can teach him to learn by creating curiosity, he will continue the learning process as long as he lives’, said Clay. P. Bedford. I am extremely grateful for RWY to have prompted me to question the interpretation and enforcement of law in Malaysia and every doubt has been answered with bluntness without hiding the ugly side of the truth. Once again, thank you for the blessings and wishes RWY has for me. Indebtedness is at least what I can express; the spirit of Messrs’ Richard Wee & Yip is what I will carry.

Henry Ng